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Do you need to be an allround drummer?

Thanks for the feedback, some good points being made, esp. @GSL about which songs (not) to play as a cover band, we used a similar approach in my 1st band.

An important factor is available time. If you have a lot of it, I agree sticking to your comfort zone is limiting you.

But I have a busy (not 9 to 5) job, am an active sporter and have a lot to do in and around my house. So I have to make choices how I spend my free time.
So for now I focus on being able to play most of the 60+ songs with my band so we can fill an afternoon or evening, the 1st gig is already booked.
If that means dropping a couple of complex drumming songs now, then so be it.
The band doesn't mind, on the contrary, they also want to do a good performance so each member should be able to perform their parts well.
To answer your question properly, we really need to know what your playing scenario is likely to be. From what you've posted, you're primarily playing for the enjoyment of it, not necessarily for gigs. That's a big distinction.

If you're playing for yours and your bandmates enjoyment, expanding your versatility probably isn't terribly important. Skip what you don't enjoy, or don't feel you can play because of the technical aspects.

If you plan on gigging, that's a whole other discussion. You need to categorize what kind of gig... bar gigs, concert style performances, etc.

My experience is from the bar band perspective, The mission is to play songs the patrons like, and will dance to. First priority. (I have to remind the band leader about that occasionally, lol.) As such, if you want to work a lot, you need to play stuff you don't necessarily like. At least most of us do, lol. I like to find ways to make what I play more interesting in some of those basic songs, without over playing.
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To the original point, if you plan on trying to work a lot, it's better to be able to incorporate stuff from different styles of music.. Even if you don't go deeply into those styles, being able to emulate at least parts of it is useful.. And you can find yourself using some of that stuff in other songs, outside of those genres, to make your performances more varied. (Which to me, is interesting. Wagon Wheel can only go so many ways in a bar, but sprinkling in different small things is fun. At least to me.)

About the age and time constraints... Our band will play over 100 shows this year, mostly basic bars and clubs. The youngest member of our band is 56. Two more are 62, another 71 and one more at 72. Three of us have large time commitments like you, so time to work on material can be limited. We don't have the time to rehearse, and our catalog is close to 300 songs now, not counting the chestnuts that we don't ever play but can pull out if need be. (Johnny B Goode, etc) If there is a song suggested that one of us cannot reasonably do, we will table that thought and move on to something else. But we will make a good faith effort to work on it first, to see if it's withing our capability. We don't go for simple songs, for the sake of simplicity. We go for songs that we think will work for our venues and typical audience. If its a challenge, so be it. If its simple. So be it. We've had a few that we thought we had down well enough, but never seemed to click when playing out. We purge it, and keep on moving on.

Last year, I went to a drum clinic with Mike Mangini, of Dream Theater. (Actually just after he was replaced in DT, but that's where people will know him from.) Very high level, technical stuff. His clinic wasn't all aimed at that style, but a lot of what he was talking about was referenced from that vantage point. I'll never play anything like that style of music, and certainly not with all those various time signatures and such. But I wanted to try and pick up some stuff that he was teaching, so that I could try and apply it to what I do.

I never played country music at all until I played in this band. When I was a young man, I thought is was all simple, easy songs about a guys dog leaving and his truck dying, etc ;) I have quickly learned that a lot of the newer country stuff is not as simple as one might think. And learning that was fun. Plus, we have added a couple older, more traditional country songs, and learning the basics of that is quite useful for other things, too.

My advice? Don't limit yourself. Unless you enjoy sitting in the back, quietly playing boom-chick while the band does their thing, try and get into whatever you're playing, and make it interesting for the audience, and for you. Different styles make for more choices.
 
To answer your question properly, we really need to know what your playing scenario is likely to be. From what you've posted, you're primarily playing for the enjoyment of it, not necessarily for gigs. That's a big distinction.

If you're playing for yours and your bandmates enjoyment, expanding your versatility probably isn't terribly important. Skip what you don't enjoy, or don't feel you can play because of the technical aspects.

If you plan on gigging, that's a whole other discussion. You need to categorize what kind of gig... bar gigs, concert style performances, etc.

My experience is from the bar band perspective, The mission is to play songs the patrons like, and will dance to. First priority. (I have to remind the band leader about that occasionally, lol.) As such, if you want to work a lot, you need to play stuff you don't necessarily like. At least most of us do, lol. I like to find ways to make what I play more interesting in some of those basic songs, without over playing.
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To the original point, if you plan on trying to work a lot, it's better to be able to incorporate stuff from different styles of music.. Even if you don't go deeply into those styles, being able to emulate at least parts of it is useful.. And you can find yourself using some of that stuff in other songs, outside of those genres, to make your performances more varied. (Which to me, is interesting. Wagon Wheel can only go so many ways in a bar, but sprinkling in different small things is fun. At least to me.)

About the age and time constraints... Our band will play over 100 shows this year, mostly basic bars and clubs. The youngest member of our band is 56. Two more are 62, another 71 and one more at 72. Three of us have large time commitments like you, so time to work on material can be limited. We don't have the time to rehearse, and our catalog is close to 300 songs now, not counting the chestnuts that we don't ever play but can pull out if need be. (Johnny B Goode, etc) If there is a song suggested that one of us cannot reasonably do, we will table that thought and move on to something else. But we will make a good faith effort to work on it first, to see if it's withing our capability. We don't go for simple songs, for the sake of simplicity. We go for songs that we think will work for our venues and typical audience. If its a challenge, so be it. If its simple. So be it. We've had a few that we thought we had down well enough, but never seemed to click when playing out. We purge it, and keep on moving on.

Last year, I went to a drum clinic with Mike Mangini, of Dream Theater. (Actually just after he was replaced in DT, but that's where people will know him from.) Very high level, technical stuff. His clinic wasn't all aimed at that style, but a lot of what he was talking about was referenced from that vantage point. I'll never play anything like that style of music, and certainly not with all those various time signatures and such. But I wanted to try and pick up some stuff that he was teaching, so that I could try and apply it to what I do.

I never played country music at all until I played in this band. When I was a young man, I thought is was all simple, easy songs about a guys dog leaving and his truck dying, etc ;) I have quickly learned that a lot of the newer country stuff is not as simple as one might think. And learning that was fun. Plus, we have added a couple older, more traditional country songs, and learning the basics of that is quite useful for other things, too.

My advice? Don't limit yourself. Unless you enjoy sitting in the back, quietly playing boom-chick while the band does their thing, try and get into whatever you're playing, and make it interesting for the audience, and for you. Different styles make for more choices.
Thanks for your reply!

I do indeed play for fun, not for the money - rather vice verse... - with occasional gigs to have goals to keep working on.
I understand if someone plays for a living (or is charging serious money for their performances), your personal feelings about songs are irrelevant and you need to work on songs/styles which aren;t your favorites. Like any 'job'.

The main reason for starting this thread was this song on our setlist:


It is a great Dutch song but I've heard it way too many times, don't like listening to it anymore and it would take me a lot of time to play half decent - drummer Cesar Zuiderwijk is no slouch...
And it is a shuffle as well - but I'm working on those now.
So I told them I would rather not play that song instead of butchering it and the band was fine with that.
We have over 60 others songs on our setlist...
 
Thanks for your reply!

I do indeed play for fun, not for the money - rather vice verse... - with occasional gigs to have goals to keep working on.
I understand if someone plays for a living (or is charging serious money for their performances), your personal feelings about songs are irrelevant and you need to work on songs/styles which aren;t your favorites. Like any 'job'.

The main reason for starting this thread was this song on our setlist:


It is a great Dutch song but I've heard it way too many times, don't like listening to it anymore and it would take me a lot of time to play half decent - drummer Cesar Zuiderwijk is no slouch...
And it is a shuffle as well - but I'm working on those now.
So I told them I would rather not play that song instead of butchering it and the band was fine with that.
We have over 60 others songs on our setlist...
And to do it correctly, you have to jump over your set at the end. Definitely not easy for me either, but I love playing it.
 
Here's an example by Gregg Bissonette:


 
You’re right to prioritize enjoyment. Life’s too short to grind on songs you dislike for a hobby. That said, occasionally stepping outside your comfort zone can be rewarding—but it should feel like a choice, not an obligation.
 
Thanks for your reply!

I do indeed play for fun, not for the money - rather vice verse... - with occasional gigs to have goals to keep working on.
I understand if someone plays for a living (or is charging serious money for their performances), your personal feelings about songs are irrelevant and you need to work on songs/styles which aren;t your favorites. Like any 'job'.

The main reason for starting this thread was this song on our setlist:


It is a great Dutch song but I've heard it way too many times, don't like listening to it anymore and it would take me a lot of time to play half decent - drummer Cesar Zuiderwijk is no slouch...
And it is a shuffle as well - but I'm working on those now.
So I told them I would rather not play that song instead of butchering it and the band was fine with that.
We have over 60 others songs on our setlist...
Well at least you recognize it as a shuffle and not a train beat as so many wankers do .
 
Years ago, I attended a clinic from Chris Lamb. He was the principal percussion at NY Philharmonic. Obviously, an incredible orchestral snare drummer. He was sort of saying how percussionists were often busy trying to learn all of these famous excerpts. In more of less words, he was sort of making a point of spending more time working on fundamentals as opposed to focusing on specific excerpts. My take was that he was saying once you develop your fundamentals, and continue to improve overall skills, playing an excerpt down will eventually be a piece of cake.

Translation is to don’t think of just learning songs (and spending a lot of time and effort on that aspect), but rather working more on fundamentals, grooves, styles, time, reading, or whatever…then when it comes to learning a new song… it should come a lot easier.
 
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