Benthedrummer
Silver Member
Hold The Line is a hard song.
Fast 6/8 is not easy.
I agree, the bass drum work on that track is a great workout.
What exercises/drills improved your bass drum foot technique and speed the most?
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Hold The Line is a hard song.
Fast 6/8 is not easy.
I agree, the bass drum work on that track is a great workout.
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C. Dave Run
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Somebody here on DW suggested that if you wanna play 2s, practice 3s. If you wanna play 3s, practice 4s.
I have adopted this concept, and wouldnt you know it works for both hands and feet.
I wish I could remember who said it.
I have adopted this concept, and wouldnt you know it works for both hands and feet.
I wish I could remember who said it.
doggyd69b
Platinum Member
Definitely know what is happening before you attempt to play it, for example a lot of people think that Messhuggah's Bleed is a bunch of triplets when in reality it is RLRL
If you played it with triplets it would just sound wrong and you would become frustrated because you wouldn't understand what you were doing wrong.
I wouldn't use too many exercises to practice I would just keep it super simple unless you plan to incorporate said exercises into a musical piece then just use a small number, you don't want to have to memorize hundreds of patterns then practice them then master then... you have to use your time efficiently. Another thing that is very seldom mentioned is actual exercise such as jogging (notice I didn't say running) one month of daily jogging or slow running will increase your pedal speed significantly, you will also have much more stamina on top of overall feeling better. one 15 -20 min jog everyday is enough, you don't need to kill yourself working out , you just need to strengthen your leg muscles a little more and jogging-running is much faster way to do that than spending 8 hrs a day on the drum kit.
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Larry
"Uncle Larry"
Ahem...
brady
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doggyd69b
Platinum Member
I don't see how it could be played that way at that speed..... I guess. but RLRR works for me to play it... and actually if you are accomplishing the same sound, does it matter what combination you use?
doggyd69b
Platinum Member
Definitely not a household name but for me is way easier to play it that way than the way you described.
Was going to say there’s a lot more going on than the RlRR diddle pattern doggyb is referring to.
There’s constant singles then at the “e and a” that’s where you hear the doubles alternating and falling in line with the constant pattern to make the herta triplet.
Watching him live it looks like he alternates the pattern so yea your feet would have to be smokin in a freakish way to achieve a single lead foot pattern on that tune.
Haake said they almost weren’t sure about the song making on record due to difficulty on his end.
doggyd69b
Platinum Member
I don’t recommend playing it that way, I just find it less difficult for me to play it that way, I can play almost at full song speed but I cannot keep that going too long because as you pointed out I’ve been playing it wrong, so now I’m going to have to relearn it, but now it’s hard to get rid of that muscle memory…oh well…
Id just stick with Riley for a while until you can nail it.
aarono2690
Junior Member
It's amazing how much this book pushes you. Forces you to read, count, limb independence, etc.
For sure. Beyond Bop is very good too
doggyd69b
Platinum Member
it seems easier for me, but now realizing it that I was doing it wrong then it makes sense to correct it, however, I keep going back to the way I play it because of muscle memory.
I know you just want proof of me being able to play it but sure I will try to record something..
doggyd69b
Platinum Member
I checked Marthyn.net. he posted a few exercises you can practice heel down, ( I want to be able to achieve David Diepold's speeds but I'm at 3/4 of his speed with the right foot now), the left foot is still quite slow, as in I can do 16ths but I have to swivel to achieve that and I don't have to do that too much with the right (swivel), I discovered that practicing a lot of those patterns heel down, can allow you to reach much higher speeds than you can heel up sometimes. The posted exercises were RRRR RRRR LLLL LLLL RLRLRLRLRLRLRLRL I have been practicing that for months, even when I'm sitting here at work typing this. I started much slower than what I can do now, still not nearly as fast as what Diepold can do with one foot:
Drumming goals!
Matched Gripper
Active Member
I have a comping workout routine which includes, singles, doubles and paradiddles (between snare and bass drum), as 8th notes, 8th note triplets and 16th notes (forward, reversed and inverted), all while playing swing time on ride and hats. I posted it on DFO a few years ago under “Comping Workout.” Let me see if I can post it here. I may start a new thread so everyone sees it.
doggyd69b
Platinum Member
I think that in that Cognizance song David Diepold is playing something like this:
RLR RLR RR
RLR RLR RLR RRRR I am also aware that this is only a part of the complete pattern, I just didn't feel like typing the whole thing, but to me that is the hardest part of that pattern.
And that part is definitely faster than Bleed.
I think the key, (and what also makes it harder to play) is the mini stops between the patterns, it would be even harder to play without those pauses.
What about the Green Acres theme song? Lol That’s fun to play on the drums.
Practicing heel down will give you strength and coordination for feathering and louder playing too. The trick is to let the beater rebound. Sambas are good, Dom Famularo's "Comibnation Exercise" in his book, It's Your Move, is a really great exercise for control and dynamics for both hands and feet. For backbeats, Chaffee's Fatback exercises...