Foos and NIN exchange drummers

Only two replies in two hours? What the…? I guess I will have to seed the conversation…

Ilan and Josh are both masters and will be great (we already know Josh kills playing NIN music), but I still believe firing Josh from the Foos was a poor idea, one that makes me think there’s something we don’t know like a personality conflict or Josh still freelancing on major gigs in his off time making Dave mad.

On the other hand, it doesn’t seem to be hurting Josh’s career.
 
I'm guessing Ilan will be hired as a touring drummer and the Foos will continue without a permanent replacement. Dave will play on future records.
 
Sugarlumps699 said:
Disagree Rubin plays a multitude of instruments/offers strong vocals and has youth on his side.
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Josh is also proficient in several instruments and sings, though I never see him singing live. But he’s cut a couple solo albums where he plays and sings everything and he’s pretty talented.
 
JimmyM said:
Josh is also proficient in several instruments and sings, though I never see him singing live. But he’s cut a couple solo albums where he plays and sings everything and he’s pretty talented.
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This is why I think there's more to JF leaving than we're privy to. You have to remember when a drummer wins an audition, the bands wants what they bring to the table. Josh won, but I feel as the band leader is also a drummer, Josh was asked to change too much of what he brought & out he went.

I only theorize this because I went through this with a really popular cover band in my town. I beat out 3 other drummers for that spot, only to discover that the bass player wanted to mold me into his vision of how the drum parts should be based on the drummer I replaced (who he really liked). While I'm all about altering some things, asking me to completely be someone else, after I was accepted for who I was is just wrong.

I lasted just over a year and I was out.
 
Its all speculation at this point. I speculate that if Ilan is a "touring member" its a business decision based on $, and if Ilan become a full time member its because JF was caught with one of the Foo Wives.
 
Roy E. Munson said:
Its all speculation at this point. I speculate that if Ilan is a "touring member" its a business decision based on $, and if Ilan become a full time member its because JF was caught with one of the Foo Wives.
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Nobody in the Foo Fighters is an actual bona fide "member" of the band except Dave, and same for NIN and Trent, though Trent has apparently deputized Atticus Ross as the only real member besides him. I guess that happens when someone helps you win Oscars :)

That doesn't mean they don't get paid fairly, or get to record, and even function as a real band. But only Dave and Trent have the name and make the decisions.
 
JimmyM said:
Nobody in the Foo Fighters is an actual bona fide "member" of the band except Dave, and same for NIN and Trent, though Trent has apparently deputized Atticus Ross as the only real member besides him. I guess that happens when someone helps you win Oscars :)

That doesn't mean they don't get paid fairly, or get to record, and even function as a real band. But only Dave and Trent have the name and make the decisions.
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I dont know man? I really dont. I have to imagine Pat, Chris, Nate, Mrs. Hawkins all share some royalty and publishing rights.
 
Roy E. Munson said:
I dont know man? I really dont. I have to imagine Pat, Chris, Nate, Mrs. Hawkins all share some royalty and publishing rights.
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Of course, they get royalties for their appearances on albums and publishing for any actual songwriting they contribute.

But that doesn't make them decision makers, nor stakeholders in the corporation that is the Foo Fighters. Legally, they're still all employees of the Foo Fighters.

If Dave left the band, they could not recruit a new singer and use the Foos name, even if they outnumber Dave, as they have no legal ownership of the name. Unlike, say Pink Floyd after Rodger Waters quit and tried to take the name, he couldn't because Gilmore and Mason were still legal co-owners of the name.
 
I think Dave's big mistake was to make a huge deal about Josh, and to publicly say he's the new drummer (via the video).

He should have just said, "We have hired Josh for this tour" and left it at that, instead of all the pomp and circumstance around the announcement.

The perception that they made Josh a new member, and then fired him coldly without an explanation, is what makes Dave look bad. Not even a phone call from Dave, just from his manager.
 
DrumEatDrum said:
I think Dave's big mistake was to make a huge deal about Josh, and to publicly say he's the new drummer (via the video).

He should have just said, "We have hired Josh for this tour" and left it at that, instead of all the pomp and circumstance around the announcement.

The perception that they made Josh a new member, and then fired him coldly without an explanation, is what makes Dave look bad. Not even a phone call from Dave, just from his manager.
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And I am pretty sure its the first time he has done this.
 
DrumEatDrum said:
I think Dave's big mistake was to make a huge deal about Josh, and to publicly say he's the new drummer (via the video).

He should have just said, "We have hired Josh for this tour" and left it at that, instead of all the pomp and circumstance around the announcement.

The perception that they made Josh a new member, and then fired him coldly without an explanation, is what makes Dave look bad. Not even a phone call from Dave, just from his manager.
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I’m sure Dave thought it was a big deal to get Josh because of how well known and busy he is, not to mention that Josh killed every gig like it was his last day on earth.

The more I think about it, the more I think it was because he went out with APC. This wasn’t Taylor going out with a cover band playing bars…this was Maynard, who’s pretty huge himself. I think Dave wants everyone to answer when he calls and freelancing big gigs makes that tough.
 
Roy E. Munson said:
I dont know man? I really dont. I have to imagine Pat, Chris, Nate, Mrs. Hawkins all share some royalty and publishing rights.
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DrumEatDrum said it all, really. Dave is a pretty generous guy to them, and I’m sure he appreciates their input at times, but anything they get from the Foos is a result of Dave saying they can have it. But at least he does that much…Trent Reznor doesn’t.
 
I've listened to maybe 1% of these groups being discussed but my long shot view is Josh Freese is Corporate. Precise like a studio drummer. Also likes $$ draped in gold chains and capes. Previous Dave drummer that passed and Dave himself have raw drumming attitude less polish. That's what's didn't mesh. What I've seen of the Iilan fellow is has the wild abandon plus accuracy. I Think Dave wanted wild abandon not found with corporate conservative style Josh that was the difference

I didn't see Josh being a good match with Grohl from the start- But like I say I don't know exactly anything about it but Josh doesn't seem "wild" or "free" ( pun no pun) (more freeze than free) enough.
 
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jda said:
I've listened to maybe 1% of these groups being discussed but my long shot view is Josh Freese is Corporate. Precise like a studio drummer. Also likes $$ draped in gold chains and capes. Previous Dave drummer that passed and Dave himself have raw drumming attitude less polish. That's what's didn't mesh. What I've seen of the Iilan fellow is has the wild abandon plus accuracy. I Think Dave wanted wild abandon not found with corporate conservative style Josh that was the difference

I didn't see Josh being a good match with Grohl from the start- But like I say I don't know exactly anything about it but Josh doesn't seem "wild" or "free" ( pun no pun) (more freeze than free) enough.
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You are correct, Joe…it’s a long shot view.
Josh can play as polished or unpolished as you want. He first got known for playing with a very edgy punk band widely respected in LA but never a big seller called The Vandals. He also played for Devo, who credits him with breathing new life into the band.
 
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