Foos and NIN exchange drummers

But I'm saying some of Josh 'moves -notation wise -come straight from 1940s Gene Krupa"
Iilan person is avant garde maybe too much well see.
But Josh is the conservative player

this was a year ago
I can hear "Krupa" he's a conservative whereas Foos are a looser teenage innocence

This guy is "outside" other end of the spectrum avant guard maybe too much but closer to Foos innocent wildness. Looseness.
(" the looseness monster...)

 
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jda said:
But I'm saying some of Josh 'moves -notation wise -come straight from 1940s Gene Krupa"
Iilan person is avant garde maybe too much well see.
But Josh is the conservative player

this was a year ago
I can hear "Krupa" he's a conservative whereas Foos are a looser teenage innocence

This guy is "outside" other end of the spectrum avant guard maybe too much but closer to Foos innocent wildness. Looseness.
(" the looseness monster...)

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You seem to think someone can’t do both. I assure you that some can.
 
JimmyM said:
You seem to think someone can’t do both. I assure you that some can.
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That's the point.
Is one adaptable and is one strictly authentic i'm looking at "core".. core stripe-age.
At core what someone is..
Someone that's a mechanic that can fix anything whereas another who only knows space shuttles.
Josh may have been, too "professional" in a "tradesman" sense for La Foos- if you want to see it that way
versus someone from outer-space may be more to Grohl's liking
 
jda said:
I've listened to maybe 1% of these groups being discussed but my long shot view is Josh Freese is Corporate. Precise like a studio drummer. Also likes $$ draped in gold chains and capes. Previous Dave drummer that passed and Dave himself have raw drumming attitude less polish. That's what's didn't mesh. What I've seen of the Iilan fellow is has the wild abandon plus accuracy. I Think Dave wanted wild abandon not found with corporate conservative style Josh that was the difference

I didn't see Josh being a good match with Grohl from the start- But like I say I don't know exactly anything about it but Josh doesn't seem "wild" or "free" ( pun no pun) (more freeze than free) enough.
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eh, no.

Josh got his start playing in punk bands, and still plays in punk band to this day.
He's got a wife and four kids. His solo album promotions are funny. Josh can be a precise studio drummer, but that's not his main thing. He's incredibly down-to-earth.

I also find it funny that Dave is considered raw and unpolished when what made him world famous was his ability to keep time amid chaos.
 
I don't think (...) Grohl want's "down to earth". Want's "Space mission" moreso..
That's my feeling
He want's an "element" of "innocence' unbridled- that a studied studious Pro has gone beyond or didn't "keep"... (innocence"

I mean come on that was Grohl in the first place..(behind the drums: unchained Un-studied..

sometimes in this particular field, too much knowledge expertise can 'ruin a guy' 😁
 
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jda said:
That's the point.
Is one adaptable and is one strictly authentic i'm looking at "core".. core stripe-age.
At core what someone is..
Someone that's a mechanic that can fix anything whereas another who only knows space shuttles.
Josh may have been, too "professional" in a "tradesman" sense for La Foos- if you want to see it that way
versus someone from outer-space may be more to Grohl's liking
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I get what you're saying but Dave seems way less impressed by credibility credentials than you would expect from Nirvana's drummer.
 
JimmyM said:
Ilan and Josh are both masters and will be great (we already know Josh kills playing NIN music), but I still believe firing Josh from the Foos was a poor idea, one that makes me think there’s something we don’t know like a personality conflict or Josh still freelancing on major gigs in his off time making Dave mad.
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My assumption is that Josh was hired as a full band member, and Ilan will only be a touring drummer while Dave plays on all future recordings.

Disclaimer: This is based on absolutely no real evidence at all, just a hunch based on how we already know Dave recorded all drums on the new album.
 
I think the fact that Dave hired both of NIN's last two drummers (as well as having recorded with NIN himself) and that this has indeed turned into a swap, just more proves there isn't a huge difference in styles.
 
jda said:
well that would favor someone like Iilan if I'm understanding correctly Jim
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No man, you’re way off. If any of what you said was an issue, Dave wouldn’t have hired him in the first place, made a big deal about it, or kept him for two years. Dave had Rick Astley get up and sing “Never Gonna Give You Up” with them, fercryinoutloud!
 
Naigewron said:
My assumption is that Josh was hired as a full band member, and Ilan will only be a touring drummer while Dave plays on all future recordings.

Disclaimer: This is based on absolutely no real evidence at all, just a hunch based on how we already know Dave recorded all drums on the new album.
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Well you’re of course entitled to an opinion, but I can guarantee that neither of them were hired as a full member. How that plays out on future albums, I don’t know. But Dave will do as much or as little as he wants, and it probably depends more on Ilan than anything.
 
jda said:
I don't think (...) Grohl want's "down to earth". Want's "Space mission" moreso..
That's my feeling
He want's an "element" of "innocence' unbridled- that a studied studious Pro has gone beyond or didn't "keep"... (innocence"

I mean come on that was Grohl in the first place..(behind the drums: unchained Un-studied..

sometimes in this particular field, too much knowledge expertise can 'ruin a guy' 😁
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I agree with Joe.

First, we can say both top shelf for their field.
But it’s sort of like a “band” drummer vs studio drummer to an extent.

Doug Clifford or Steve Gadd as a loose comparison.

Plus, as a fun side note….

Zildjian vs Paiste. Drummers whether they admit it not are often closet Cymbalholics. They obsess over it in the shadows. Grohl, Taylor = Zildjian. It’s a sound, like it or not. Rubin is a Zildjian guy.

Plus a different drum sound, more of a Bonham big drum setup as opposed to more standard 22 bass with toms setup. It’s different.
 
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atlantadrumguy said:
I agree with Joe.

First, we can say both top shelf for their field.
But it’s sort of like a “band” drummer vs studio drummer to an extent.

Doug Clifford or Steve Gadd as a loose comparison.

Plus, as a fun side note….

Zildjian vs Paiste. Drummers whether they admit it not are often closet Cymbalholics. They obsess over it in the shadows. Grohl, Taylor = Zildjian. It’s a sound, like it or not. Rubin is a Zildjian guy.

Plus a different drum sound, more of a Bonham big drum setup as opposed to more standard 22 bass with toms setup. It’s different.
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Agreeing with Joe is not the same as him being right ;). Again, why would Dave have hired him in the first place? Why do the metal and punk bands he’s worked with sing his praises?
 
The secrecy and fanfare that was part of the Foos unveiling Josh as the "new drummer" is notably absent this time around.

This leads me to think even more that Ilan will be a touring drummer only.
 
SharkSandwich said:
The secrecy and fanfare that was part of the Foos unveiling Josh as the "new drummer" is notably absent this time around.

This leads me to think even more that Ilan will be a touring drummer only.
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I don’t think Dave knows anything except he likes Ilan today. And considering the DrummerWorld track record of predicting Foo moves since Taylor died, except me getting it right that they got Josh, I think predictions are going to remain a limb that won’t support the weight placed on it.
 
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