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...Gear crash is coming..

BrokenStick said:
What?! neo-Luddite is a personal insult? It surely wasn't intended to be, and the fellow didn't take it that way. Never mind that that was exactly the tenor of that portion of the thread.
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All I said was "Let's not tread so closely to personal insults." The topic of the thread is a possible coming crash of available gear. "Narrow minded" and "neo-Luddite" are not arguments for a position or statements regarding your own thoughts on the subject, they are commentary on the character of the person you are interacting with. One can state their feelings on a topic without even going anywhere near ad hominem remarks.
 
Thomas said:
All I said was "Let's not tread so closely to personal insults." The topic of the thread is a possible coming crash of available gear. "Narrow minded" and "neo-Luddite" are not arguments for a position or statements regarding your own thoughts on the subject, they are commentary on the character of the person you are interacting with. One can state their feelings on a topic without even going anywhere near ad hominem remarks.
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Neo-Luddite is not an ad homonym remark, and "narrow minded" was spot on in the context of the thread. Perhaps you should go reread them. It was specifically in reference to (and I paraphrase here as not going to waste time rereading) something along the lines of 'the only people worth listening to are those you've known for decades." If that is not narrow minded, I don't know what is. I didn't call him an idiot nor his comment stupid: that would be an ad homonym attack.
 
Thomas said:
There have been spiders/robots searching forums since the inception of search engines. That's how search engines gather information to give you results. This thread is about a potential gear crash cause by artificial inflation among other causes.
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I didn't really know that, so it was just surprising bit of news to me.
 
...Back on topic. was in a somewhat local drum/guitar shop today and asked about Zildjian sales with the young man behind the counter. specifically asking about the Kerope 20" medium thin ride (because I had a client ask me if I had one) his response started with a loud laugh as he explained passionately that musicians aren't looking to pay 1K for almost anything right now, let alone a ride cymbal. what surprised me most about the young man was his vast knowledge on cymbals and their prices. he apparently spends a great deal of time researching online. which is a good thing, being he is in sales. and I appreciated that.

Within a few minutes of discussing the current prices, two customers slowly moved in on our conversation and I ended up exchanging business cards. I was delighted to learn one of them was a custom guitar cabinet builder and the other an amp tech. a small goldmine of conversation was exchanged within just a few minutes. what a great day!

My point here is, in just over two hours commuting and shopping. I made two new useful acquaintances that I will do business with and a Savey salesman that I will turn to for my future cymbal needs. the inter-webs are great (in theory) but, I've never had success like I did today with it. when I give it enough consideration, the web is great at reminding me how important human engagement is...and can be.

Additionally (the gear crash is real and happening) after the two gentlemen left the shop, I re-engaged with the salesman in reference to the rising gear prices. he didn't laugh this time. people aren't buying at those prices. and the ones that do...are financing it. his last words were...it's a scary time to be in sales. makes me wonder how long manufacturers can build gear that doesn't sell?

-Real talk, real life, real people.
 
Thomas said:
Friend, I'm letting you know how to converse here. I wasn't asking.
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Friend, Your cause here in this specific case is misbegotten. For the love of Pete, the gentleman I was conversing with didn't take offense--quite the contrary. And then you come riding up on your horse after the fact waving your badge. He's capable of fighting his own battles ... but wait a minute, no battle to fight. Again, I did not attack his character. I commented on his argument.
 
BrokenStick said:
Friend, Your cause here in this specific case is misbegotten. For the love of Pete, the gentleman I was conversing with didn't take offense--quite the contrary. And then you come riding up on your horse after the fact waving your badge. He's capable of fighting his own battles ... but wait a minute, no battle to fight. Again, I did not attack his character. I commented on his argument.
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Can't stay on topic, can't take advice, cant follow the rules, can't keep from arguing with a moderator. Thanks for giving us a try, and good luck wherever you go next.
 
I'd like to understand how these big box dealers such as GC are surviving. One location here in ATL has had the same DW SSC kit (4 piece no snare) on the top shelf for three years at full MAP price. Manager told me no room for negotiation. You can find the same kit online or a local drum shop for 10% less without even asking.

How can they afford to inventory items like this for so long? I guess they are making the needed margins on guitar sales?
 
Jeremy Bender said:
Maybe I'm the only one scratching their head wondering 'who's buying a thousand dollar cymbal'?
A working drummer? A serious hobbyist flush with cash?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...iFPskNvkrQ9VyDYO1yUaAvqdEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
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The answer is the same almost every time someone asks 'Who can afford ... a pricy cymbal? Front row tickets? Ferraris? $90 steaks?"

It's either your Dentist or someone who just inherited a home their parents bought in 1964 for $37.
 
Jeremy Bender said:
Maybe I'm the only one scratching their head wondering 'who's buying a thousand dollar cymbal'?
A working drummer? A serious hobbyist flush with cash?

What are manufacturer's plans for the future with brick and mortar drum shops closing each year?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...iFPskNvkrQ9VyDYO1yUaAvqdEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Son of Vistalite Black said:
The answer is the same almost every time someone asks 'Who can afford ... a pricy cymbal? Front row tickets? Ferraris? $90 steaks?"

It's either your Dentist or someone who just inherited a home their parents bought in 1964 for $37.
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yeah...if the companies are offering stuff, it means there is some market for it...even in these crazy times.

I teach at a school where the demographic is the kind of people who would pay $1000 for a cymbal, and not even bat an eye...so they are still out there
 
I recently reached out to, two different sellers on Reverb about some features on snares they had up for sale. I made it clear I was ready to purchase as well. they were both well over the 2k mark. neither seller messaged me back. am losing faith in online shopping at this point.
 
T_Kauff said:
...Back on topic. was in a somewhat local drum/guitar shop today and asked about Zildjian sales with the young man behind the counter. specifically asking about the Kerope 20" medium thin ride (because I had a client ask me if I had one) his response started with a loud laugh as he explained passionately that musicians aren't looking to pay 1K for almost anything right now, let alone a ride cymbal. what surprised me most about the young man was his vast knowledge on cymbals and their prices. he apparently spends a great deal of time researching online. which is a good thing, being he is in sales. and I appreciated that.

Within a few minutes of discussing the current prices, two customers slowly moved in on our conversation and I ended up exchanging business cards. I was delighted to learn one of them was a custom guitar cabinet builder and the other an amp tech. a small goldmine of conversation was exchanged within just a few minutes. what a great day!

My point here is, in just over two hours commuting and shopping. I made two new useful acquaintances that I will do business with and a Savey salesman that I will turn to for my future cymbal needs. the inter-webs are great (in theory) but, I've never had success like I did today with it. when I give it enough consideration, the web is great at reminding me how important human engagement is...and can be.

Additionally (the gear crash is real and happening) after the two gentlemen left the shop, I re-engaged with the salesman in reference to the rising gear prices. he didn't laugh this time. people aren't buying at those prices. and the ones that do...are financing it. his last words were...it's a scary time to be in sales. makes me wonder how long manufacturers can build gear that doesn't sell?

-Real talk, real life, real people.
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I thought it was curious timing for Zildjian to release a $1K cymbal too. Historically, not the best time.

I love hearing good old in-person interactions. I'm glad that worked out so well for you! There's a dynamic there that you just don't get when shopping strictly online. I'm not the most extroverted person, but I do love interacting with like-minded folks in music stores, record stores, etc. I almost always learn something from those conversations.

On the gear crash, yeah, it's absolutely happening. I have always tried to shop used whenever reasonable and I'm pretty set for any gear (hopefully) I'll ever need, but I have lowered my criteria for sticks and have become content with second ones like Goodwood.
 
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