Ok, I think I'm starting to understand my TuneBot Studio

AudioWonderland said:
The point is that a large number drummers think they can tune using no reference at all and they are typically by far the least ear trained instrumentalist on the stand.
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You’re arguing with yourself at this point. I can’t keep up with the bar moving, and people who can tune their drums by ear don’t care if you like it or not.
 
"I use Elvin/ Motown's/ Jimmy Cobb's/ Drums (shell, dimensions..) you can't not Sound like them..."
Well I knew of only one guy who could make a USA Gretsch 20/12 14 sound unlike any Gretsch set ever on record at any time ever. It was quite a talent not desirable in any way. He had the ability to cover/ tune out/ the Gretsch-ness. It was truly despicable 😁
 
AudioWonderland said:
A quarter tone out is still out and that is the point.. References are necessary
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Ultimately yeah, we need a reference in the same way we need them for weights and measurements. My point was, it is possible to "eyeball it" to a fair degree of precision. Fair being the operative word.

If I tune a guitar with a starting pitch as a reference, a piano note or another guitar's E or A string, I' ll get it sounding just as good as I would using your garden variety bargain bin tuner.. I wouldn't use only my ears for lutherie work such as intonation setting, but for recording? Any day of the week, yes I would. And I do.

Without any reference tone or note? Then i'll come within a quarter tone, wich, I grant you, is still off, but not by much at all, and virtually inconsequential if you're gonna play by yourself.

If we're going for absolutes, even the tunebot is wrong because it says in the manual that getting each lug within +/- 1 hz of the target pitch is good enough.

A 2 hz differential between two tones can be heard, especially in the low to low-mid register.. But in the end, does it matter on a drum or collection of drums (wich a drumset is)? Unless you absolutely want to be uber- OCD about it, no, it reallistically doesn't.
 
AudioWonderland said:
A quarter tone out is still out and that is the point.. References are necessary
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As I said before two tuners to tune a guitar, both agreed with what was supposed to be correct tuning, my friend tuned by ear and it sounded so much better. HE would be my reference.
 
JimmyM said:
You’re arguing with yourself at this point. I can’t keep up with the bar moving, and people who can tune their drums by ear don’t care if you like it or not.
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The bar is not moving. I have said the same thing consistently. Your comprehension of it is not my concern
 
DamnSingerAlsoDrums said:
Ultimately yeah, we need a reference in the same way we need them for weights and measurements. My point was, it is possible to "eyeball it" to a fair degree of precision. Fair being the operative word.

If I tune a guitar with a starting pitch as a reference, a piano note or another guitar's E or A string, I' ll get it sounding just as good as I would using your garden variety bargain bin tuner.. I wouldn't use only my ears for lutherie work such as intonation setting, but for recording? Any day of the week, yes I would. And I do.

Without any reference tone or note? Then i'll come within a quarter tone, wich, I grant you, is still off, but not by much at all, and virtually inconsequential if you're gonna play by yourself.

If we're going for absolutes, even the tunebot is wrong because it says in the manual that getting each lug within +/- 1 hz of the target pitch is good enough.

A 2 hz differential between two tones can be heard, especially in the low to low-mid register.. But in the end, does it matter on a drum or collection of drums (wich a drumset is)? Unless you absolutely want to be uber- OCD about it, no, it reallistically doesn't.
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I'm sure, but you still used a reference... that is the point... Drummers claiming they can do it by ear without any reference are the ones that will be a 1/4 step flat so to speak... A guitar a 1/4 step flat may be great on its own but when you play it with others that are properly tuned, not so much
 
AudioWonderland said:
I'm sure, but you still used a reference... that is the point... Drummers claiming they can do it by ear without any reference are the ones that will be a 1/4 step flat so to speak... A guitar a 1/4 step flat may be great on its own but when you play it with others that are properly tuned, not so much
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When you play with others that are properly tuned, you just adjust accordingly. I don't tune by ears and then go "uh oh, this sounds off" and just leave it that way while I stare blankly into nothingness and drool on my shirt...

As long as you have other instruments to play with, then you always have a refernce. You just have have to collectively agee wich instrument is it. The piano? Then everybody tunes to the piano. Boom, done.

Drums are off by a quarter tone? Who's gonna notice but the guy with perfect pitch and a bad case of OCD? Probably nobody.
 
DamnSingerAlsoDrums said:
When you play with others that are properly tuned, you just adjust accordingly. I don't tune by ears and then go "uh oh, this sounds off" and just leave it that way while I stare blankly into nothingness and drool on my shirt...

As long as you have other instruments to play with, then you always have a refernce. You just have have to collectively agee wich instrument is it. The piano? Then everybody tunes to the piano. Boom, done.

Drums are off by a quarter tone? Who's gonna notice but the guy with perfect pitch and a bad case of OCD? Probably nobody.
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I doubt even that guy notices.
 
JimmyM said:
I doubt even that guy notices.
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I've been studying with a teacher (violinist / pianist) that has perfect pitch and never once, over the last three years, has he commented on anything drum pitch related.
 
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