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What’s Going on With Paiste?
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dwsabianguy
Senior Member
Yeah I also don't know what you're talking about. Some models take a little while to ship to the store that has ordered them (such as Traditionals to 2112) but Signatures, 2002, 900, Big Beat, 602s... they're not hard to get. I'd even be willing to bet that unless it's a discontinued model that 2112 Percussion has them in stock right now.
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El Conquistador
Yeah sorry. I was looking up the previously available sets or pack in the 2002, giant beat, and I think there was one at one time for the signature line.
Those seem to be rare right now. GC or MF shows the giant beats in stock, but drum center of Portsmouth and Sweetwater used to have several variations.
Those seem to be rare right now. GC or MF shows the giant beats in stock, but drum center of Portsmouth and Sweetwater used to have several variations.
Official reply on that topic from the German Paiste distributor in December 2023 was along the lines of personnel shortage that was caused by all kinds of effects around COVID paired with growing demand for their cymbals at the same time. So they simply cannot meet the current demand with their staff and try to recruit and properly train additional people.
I got a crack in my 2002 SE top last year (after just a year of ownership, my first cracked cymbal in over 10 years) and according to my dealer it will be replaced under warranty. I'm waiting for the replacement since August 2023 already, so almost a year now.
I got a crack in my 2002 SE top last year (after just a year of ownership, my first cracked cymbal in over 10 years) and according to my dealer it will be replaced under warranty. I'm waiting for the replacement since August 2023 already, so almost a year now.
iCe
Gold Member
I've been eyballing some models for a while now and every time i was about to order a few Paistes they were out of stock. Ordered them anyway with the only downside that i have to wait a bit longer on some models. And Thomann sent me a 19" 2002 Crash with a big scratch on it and a hairline crack near it, so it will be even longer before i have that one... sigh, first world problems, i know...
heartbeat
Well-known Member
I just spoke with Paiste rep Tim Shahady at the Chicago Drum Show. Similar to marratj's post above, Tim said they've been training new employees and supply is getting better, but there is also a big demand. So for now, expect a wait, but it's slowly getting better. They're working on it.
type85
Active Member
Out of the "big four" Z, Sabe and Meinl (Byzance being the exception), Paiste by far puts the most handwork and manual labor into each top line cymbal, it has been this way for a very long time.
Paiste has a very small staff and lost some some of their skilled workers during the pandemic. It takes a very long time to train them to hammer and lathe the cymbals, years of training, eventually they will recover but it will take a very long time!
FYI, the lower line cymbals: 900, PST 8, 7, 5, 3 etc are shaped by the "spin forming" process and then they have a minor to moderate amount of hammering and lathing.
Producing these cymbals requires MUCH less labor and skill to produce them.
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iCe
Gold Member
Got the replacement 2002 19" Crash and that one is pristine! Going to use it in a band setting for the first time this friday, stoked for that!
Anyway, back to topic... the RUDE i ordered is still on backorder, but i noticed the website went from "available in 9 - 12 weeks" to "available in several months", so e-mailed Thomann about an e.t.a. since 'several months' is pretty vague.
EDIT: got a fast reply that they should get a new batch near the end of July, but that depends on the manufacturer and distributor. Any, guess over a little more than a month waiting time left
Anyway, back to topic... the RUDE i ordered is still on backorder, but i noticed the website went from "available in 9 - 12 weeks" to "available in several months", so e-mailed Thomann about an e.t.a. since 'several months' is pretty vague.
EDIT: got a fast reply that they should get a new batch near the end of July, but that depends on the manufacturer and distributor. Any, guess over a little more than a month waiting time left
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Hmmmm. Type85 says their staff numbers changed during the flamdemic. Training new skilled people takes time.
I recently saw a year old video of Michael Miley of Rival Suns using/developing; in conjunction with Paiste, a 2002 Big Beat Prototype multi/ride with a heavier bell that cuts more, bow that tapers to thinner edge, (think Paiste version of the Sabian OMNI).
Hurry up Paiste.... Make and release that already. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
I recently saw a year old video of Michael Miley of Rival Suns using/developing; in conjunction with Paiste, a 2002 Big Beat Prototype multi/ride with a heavier bell that cuts more, bow that tapers to thinner edge, (think Paiste version of the Sabian OMNI).
Hurry up Paiste.... Make and release that already. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Patrickplaysthedrums
Member
It's still like that. They're having a problem keeping up. And they just discontinued the signature precision line last year. They better get it together. I'm going to eventually bounce to Zildjian
Jeremy Bender
Platinum Member
It'll be interesting to see what their business strategy is in the near future. I would think they'd still concentrate on production of standard models within their core product lines before venturing off on new offerings. We'll learn within a year or two I guess.
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Patrickplaysthedrums
Member
They're gonna have to start putting out new lines. It's been about 10 years since their last line. Especially considering they discontinued the precision series last year. Their best bet would be to add a high end cymbal line catered to rock and metal. This is when you consider what they already have as well as current demand.
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brady
Platinum Member
Yeah, I think the Big Beats were the last new line introduced?
They expanded the 602 line, adding crashes, plus the Mediums and Heavy 602s. I think the last new thing they offered was the 2002 Flat Rides? An odd choice to resurrect...
There are surely options to expand the Signature series. There aren't a whole lot of Ride choices there anymore.
Patrickplaysthedrums
Member
Yeah, the big beats were the last line introduced 9 years ago. The 602 ME are over 10 years old. They expanded the signature series with fast crashes, and tbdh I think they were a dud. They just dont sound like a fast crash, lol. I was really excited about them too. And they also made an extreme 2002 crash in 2019. And musicians in metal aren't looking for heavy crashes.. The sustain is simply too long, and paiste is behind with this understanding.. Signatures and 2002 are done. They're just due for a whole other series. And catering to metal would do them really well right now when you consider what they already have as well as current demand. They have PLENTY of cymbals for rock and jazz. They're lacking when it comes to metal.
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brady
Platinum Member
I don't know much about metal applications... What about the Signature Reflectors? Isn't that more of a loud metal series?
Patrickplaysthedrums
Member
The issue is the weight. They're too heavy with too long of sustain for metal. The reflector hi-hats are doable, though
Quite the opposite. A majority of metal drummers go towards heavy cymbals. They have the attack and body to cut through loud music.
Patrickplaysthedrums
Member
Nopes, Sabian aa, aax, hhx, and legacy are all thin to medium crashes, and more on the thin side. They're all very popular with metal. Btbam drummer uses a legacy crash, and they're an extreme 5 piece band with keyboards... And a customs are popular for metal, and they're not heavy cymbals. Look at what the lamb of god drummer uses..medium and medium thin meinl cymbals... Even the 2002 cymbals aren't heavy, and totally popular for metal. And 2002 cymbals cut due to the B8 b20 cymbals have less cut. The 2002 thin crashes are also great for metal. They're even described as a metallic cutting sound via Paiste. And look at matt gartska of animals as leaders using extra thin cymabls. Most metal drummers don't use heavy crashes due to the sustain just being too long.
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