Anyone ever found a drum set bass drum mallet with an embedded force sensitive resister?

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Otto

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I've hunted but cant find one.

Pref blue tooth type communications(though that might be a bit slow...prob have to be wired...maybe broad spread laser with a receiving unit on the pedal(shielded to avoid potential show laser cross talk...except for show smoke/fog might cause difficulty...ugh...back to wires...as radio is really a pain and encryption is a complexity best avoided)?

Imagine getting different characteristics depending on what you do with the beater AFTER the bass drum attack peaks...like bending, distorting, sustain...or different compression applications or even triggering other sounds...just by burying the beater and pressing or a predictive 'just before impact'....or...

Chain anything to it you want...maybe set the output to have little to no effect when getting off the head quickly....or invert the idea...sustain whatever you have chained when generating short spikes from the F.S.R.

Could even use it without an actual strike...just with movement of the pedal(at very sensitive settings which can be ignored with strikes(since the ratio of force is so much greater)


Sure, you could use standard triggers on the head but thats not gonna achieve what I am thinking...nor would a standard trigger attached to a mallet do it as it would change the sound of the bass drum(and consistent triggering by placing the trigger on the back of the beater head is a nightmare.

I can see how to make one but I can also see wasting loads of time I should spend on other things....would rather buy one and spend my time using it instead of designing/prototyping/testing/repeat...getting the proper seating and interface material let alone wiring...Im a drummer not an engineer...I just play one on the internet
 
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Otto said:
I've hunted but cant find one.

Pref blue tooth type communications(though that might be a bit slow...prob have to be wired...maybe broad spread laser with a receiving unit on the pedal(shielded to avoid potential show laser cross talk...except for show smoke/fog might cause difficulty...ugh...back to wires...as radio is really a pain and encryption is a complexity best avoided)?

Imagine getting different characteristics depending on what you do with the beater AFTER the bass drum attack peaks...like bending, distorting, sustain...or different compression applications or even triggering other sounds...just by burying the beater and pressing or a predictive 'just before impact'....or...

Chain anything to it you want...maybe set the output to have little to no effect when getting off the head quickly....or invert the idea...sustain whatever you have chained when generating short spikes from the F.S.R.

Could even use it without an actual strike...just with movement of the pedal(at very sensitive settings which can be ignored with strikes(since the ratio of force is so much greater)


Sure, you could use standard triggers on the head but thats not gonna achieve what I am thinking...nor would a standard trigger attached to a mallet do it as it would change the sound of the bass drum(and consistent triggering by placing the trigger on the back of the beater head is a nightmare.

I can see how to make one but I can also see wasting loads of time I should spend on other things....would rather buy one and spend my time using it instead of designing/prototyping/testing/repeat...getting the proper seating and interface material let alone wiring...Im a drummer not an engineer...I just play one on the internet
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I have no idea what you are trying to say here (not being snarky, just being honest) but I could see one being able to achieve most of the above with a simple drum trigger. As far as lights/visuals (if I even read that correctly) you can get cheap lights and strobes off Amazon for like $10 that have built in audible sensors that flash to the sound of you playing. Unless I completely misunderstood what you are trying to accomplish with this device then it sounds like a situation of trying to make an expensive and overly complicated device that does what other cheap, basic, and readily available devices already do.
 
roncadillac said:
I have no idea what you are trying to say here (not being snarky, just being honest) but I could see one being able to achieve most of the above with a simple drum trigger. As far as lights/visuals (if I even read that correctly) you can get cheap lights and strobes off Amazon for like $10 that have built in audible sensors that flash to the sound of you playing. Unless I completely misunderstood what you are trying to accomplish with this device then it sounds like a situation of trying to make an expensive and overly complicated device that does what other cheap, basic, and readily available devices already do.
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Try putting a fsr on the back of a pedal mallet and the pressure you apply after the strike is meaningless.


Put the trigger on the front of the mallet and you are mechanically changing the sound of the drum.(possibly damaging the trigger)


Putting it on the head obviates the post strike pressure usage or the motion aspects of the mallet itself being able to trigger the F.S.R.


Would need to be embedded into the mallet....and is so, take some material science understanding to deal with the not only making it linear in actuation but durable.


The 'light' comments were about trying to come up with a wireless and robust communication from the embedded F.S.R. to your controller(s)...avoiding the common reasons such attempts have been such garbage.(using bluetooth is slow, laser can be interfered, wire is cumbersome and encoding in each creates complexity)...not interested in creating show lights...just adjusting sounds WHILE PLAYING.


No other device would put real time control in the hands of the drummer.


Triggers aren't just for replacing poorly recorded sounds....or projecting some sound live that you can't be bothered(afford) to dial in with your sound-person.
 
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With the right tech, a Raspberry Pi, and some programming, I think you could make something worthy.

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yeah...design/create/test/repeat...this project would constitute many human years to do well...and Im not interested in being an engineer...what I know of engineering(including what I do to make a living) is to allow me to do musical things at my stratified economic level(I have made effects units and amps for fractions of the commercial price but found it VERY time consuming)


Hoping someone has seen a product that I cant find in detailed internet searches.
 
What about kick-->mic-->effects pedals-->mixer-->output?

By using a mic you are leaving the kick sound alone. Guitar pedals can be set and forgot, the effect can be manipulated at the mixer.
 
To what purpose though? Most drummers who work, it’s all about playing the dang drums. Anything beyond the cliche heavy metal triggering being done today would be negated to quickly get a good solid bass drum sound for the music being played. This idea could be a solution to a nonexistent problem (kinda like those weird Trixon bass drums 😉).
 
C. Dave Run said:
What about kick-->mic-->effects pedals-->mixer-->output?

By using a mic you are leaving the kick sound alone. Guitar pedals can be set and forgot, the effect can be manipulated at the mixer.
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I would like to be able to have some post-acoustic bass drum strike control at the point of sound creation...not at the board.

Bury the beater, get different behavior than not, for example
 
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