Dick Cully

Well said, Al

I think Dick’s a little old to still be getting mad that the world is changing, or that the music business is as ridiculous as it is. Chops are awesome, and he’s got GREAT hands, maybe the best buzz roll in the business. But a chopsmeister needs to be teaching lessons and making videos on YouTube, showing off those clean fast licks, to attract students and raise the level of drumming. Because I’d LOVE to see Dick break down his buzz roll into exercises, and get done SUPER-slow-mo video of his rolls. Instead, he just gets mad. *shrug*
 
You think he's thinking well Buddy Rich would get angry and throw a fit so I need too-grab some of that stardust charisma of Buddy. He should throw sticks at people in his big band and cus them for being incompetent-then play the Buddy chops. Then people would say-You know he reminds me of Buddy Rich. Maybe he should wear a gi and throw some band members across the room-show his karate chops. Then for sure he'll get the Buddy comparison. He just needs someone to help him with his image.
 
I remember reading an interview with Joe Morello many years ago, in which he sais that many drummers had spent their lives trying to copy Buddy Rich, but they all ended up in his shadow. I can think of Charley Antolini, Roy Burns, Butch Miles and Donny Osbourne - all excellent players, but no match for Buddy.

I guess it's what you do in the shadow that counts. Roy Burns may have been lurking there, but he had a relentlessly positive attitude. You could tell he enjoyed being an educator. And then he went on to co-found Aquarian, so ultimately was probably more financially successful than Buddy.
 
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This guy still gets my vote for world's greatest curmudgeon drummer. Ya gotta like anyone who says "Rudiments are the cancer of drumming." And he played a show with PiL, so he was an honorary Punk Rock drummer. Sorta.
https://www.moderndrummer.com/2014/01/drum-instructor-sam-ulano-passes/
"Ulano, who counts among his former students Tony “Thunder” Smith, Allan Schwartzberg, Marvin “Smitty” Smith, Dion Parsons, and Art Taylor, focuses on reading as a means to success. A drummer who can read music and is well versed in many styles—another Ulano focus—is more likely to work than one who performs the cleanest rudiment or has the fastest Drumometer speed."

Sounds like my kind of drummer!
 
"Ulano, who counts among his former students Tony “Thunder” Smith, Allan Schwartzberg, Marvin “Smitty” Smith, Dion Parsons, and Art Taylor, focuses on reading as a means to success. A drummer who can read music and is well versed in many styles—another Ulano focus—is more likely to work than one who performs the cleanest rudiment or has the fastest Drumometer speed."

Sounds like my kind of drummer!
You mean not everybody reads? Huh?
 
I thought the guy was really sad. But he suffers from grandiosity. He must think he's the new Buddy, or whatever. Buddy was an original, an artist. Cully is a cipher. A good cipher with great hands. But some of that "Nobody plays Buddy Rich better than Dick Cully," etc. What does he expect? What if some dude copied Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel in another cathedral. Great trick, but so what. I hope the dude can find some peace.

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Dick really is a heck of a player, his hands are pretty much the equal of Buddy’s, but he just lacks that excitement and fire that Buddy had. The thing that so many players have had to accept over the years (and human beings in general) is that you can be right, or you can be happy. At least in terms of his music career, Dick has chosen to be right. So did I, for many years, and I was very bitter about the industry and how poorly-prepared I was for the ridiculously cutthroat, merciless, hyper-competitive audition world, and the music business in general. I’m softening now, as I get older and am having some success in an unrelated career, but I was pretty bitter for a looong time.
Dick Cully fascinates me. He's like a character out of a Charles Bukowski story. He did everything right, studied the greatest drummer on earth, and achieved the coveted hallmark of the masterstroke, the single stroke roll at Buddy's warp speed. Then years later he's on stage telling everyone they suck, and comes across a bit embittered and maybe with a slight brokenness. There's a tragic, poetic irony in that character. As somebody said above, you copy one of the greats and you end up in their shadow.

There are so many guys who coulda been great. In a lot of ways those kind of guys fascinate me more than the big name drummers. I bought an old gretsch shell dynasonic recently, and the gy told me about a drummer who was like as good as Gadd, or Colaiuta, or any of those big names. The guy was walking home from a gig one night and some local tinkers beat the hell out of him for his gig money and left him brain damaged. He spent the rest of his days in a nursing home, in that half cabbage state. Another guy local to me, who I think would have been as important as Bonham, if the stars alligned and he got the right band, but alcohol became his all. So the path is littered with bodies, broken people, skeletal remains.

There's something compelling about the coulda-woulda-shoulda guys. Like an old hollywood siren who's gotten old and lost her looks. In her heyday she was the big screen goddesses. Now nobody remembers her. Ozymandias, the fierce some ruler king, his terrifying edifice surrounded by uncaring desert sands.

As serious as one may be about their art, at the same time you have to have a sense of humour and perspective. Brian Downey the drummer from Thin Lizzy struck me as that type of guy. No matter how big Thin Lizzy got he said that if it all fell apart in the morning he didn't mind because he'd be able to get a job at the post office. So he took it as it came.

Hit the drum, don't let the drum hit you.
 
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Dick Cully fascinates me. He's like a character out of a Charles Bukowski story. He did everything right, studied the greatest drummer on earth, and achieved the coveted hallmark of the masterstroke, the single stroke roll at Buddy's warp speed. Then years later he's on stage telling everyone they suck, and comes across a bit embittered and maybe with a slight brokenness. There's a tragic, poetic irony in that character. As somebody said above, you copy one of the greats and you end up in their shadow.

There are so many guys who coulda been great. In a lot of ways those kind of guys fascinate me more than the big name drummers. I bought an old gretsch shell dynasonic recently, and the gy told me about a drummer who was like as good as Gadd, or Colaiuta, or any of those big names. The guy was walking home from a gig one night and some local tinkers beat the hell out of him for his gig money and left him brain damaged. He spent the rest of his days in a nursing home, in that half cabbage state. Another guy local to me, who I think would have been as important as Bonham, if the stars alligned and he got the right band, but alcohol became his all. So the path is littered with bodies, broken people, skeletal remains.

There's something compelling about the coulda-woulda-shoulda guys. Like an old hollywood siren who's gotten old and lost her looks. In her heyday she was the big screen godseess. Now nobody remembers her. Ozymandias, the fierce some ruler king, his terrifying edifice surrounded by uncaring desert sands.

As serious as one may be about their art, at the same time you have to have a sense of humour and perspective. Brian Downey the drummer from Thin Lizzy struck me as that type of guy. No matter how big Thin Lizzy got he said that if it all fell apart in the morning he didn't mind because he'd be able to get a job at the post office. So he took it as it came.

Hit the drum, don't let the drum hit you.

Wise words
 
I got into Glenn Miller when I was young (alongside punk, disco and reggae) because it was evocative, timeless and ... great music!
Me too! The music I was listening to when I started playing drums was 30's/40's big bands; Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, Charlie Barnet, Woody Herman, Count Basie, the Dorseys, and many more, even the second tier bands, like Larry Clinton, Bob Chester, Bunny Berigan, Jan Savitt, Will Bradley/Ray McKinley, and tons more.

The funny thing is, I have never lost my love for the big bands. I still listen to this stuff almost every day, in the car, usually on the Siruis/XM 40's Junction channel. And I'm still buying big band CDs. My collection of big band vinyl is very large. I just bought a Les Brown CD.

I've even gone to see the ghost bands; Count Basie, Tommy Dorsey, Glenn Miller. It's great music. The Basie band blew me away totally.

As far as Dick Cully is concerned, I think he's just a very bitter old guy at this point, but that's not to take away from his talent. He has monster chops, but has chosen a style of music that hasn't allowed him to make a decent living, and he's living in the shadow of Buddy, to his detriment.
 
I'm still here, you wanna meet in the parking lot or what?
I'd watch what you say around here, newbie. First impressions are the lasting ones. This forum isn't like that other giant drum forum with all the haters, trolls and a-holes. Things are pretty civilized here, so be nice. A word to the wise.
 
I guess it's what you do in the shadow that counts. Roy Burns may have been lurking there, but he had a relentlessly positive attitude. You could tell he enjoyed being an educator. And then he went on to co-found Aquarian, so ultimately was probably more financially successful than Buddy.
I attended a local Roy Burns clinic and he was everything you just mentioned. He is STILL a fond memory. I'm trying to live up to his inspiration. 🎶.
 
Dick Cully fascinates me. He's like a character out of a Charles Bukowski story. He did everything right, studied the greatest drummer on earth, and achieved the coveted hallmark of the masterstroke, the single stroke roll at Buddy's warp speed. Then years later he's on stage telling everyone they suck, and comes across a bit embittered and maybe with a slight brokenness. There's a tragic, poetic irony in that character. As somebody said above, you copy one of the greats and you end up in their shadow.

There are so many guys who coulda been great. In a lot of ways those kind of guys fascinate me more than the big name drummers. I bought an old gretsch shell dynasonic recently, and the gy told me about a drummer who was like as good as Gadd, or Colaiuta, or any of those big names. The guy was walking home from a gig one night and some local tinkers beat the hell out of him for his gig money and left him brain damaged. He spent the rest of his days in a nursing home, in that half cabbage state. Another guy local to me, who I think would have been as important as Bonham, if the stars alligned and he got the right band, but alcohol became his all. So the path is littered with bodies, broken people, skeletal remains.

There's something compelling about the coulda-woulda-shoulda guys. Like an old hollywood siren who's gotten old and lost her looks. In her heyday she was the big screen goddesses. Now nobody remembers her. Ozymandias, the fierce some ruler king, his terrifying edifice surrounded by uncaring desert sands.

As serious as one may be about their art, at the same time you have to have a sense of humour and perspective. Brian Downey the drummer from Thin Lizzy struck me as that type of guy. No matter how big Thin Lizzy got he said that if it all fell apart in the morning he didn't mind because he'd be able to get a job at the post office. So he took it as it came.

Hit the drum, don't let the drum hit you.
He's kinda like The Kramer... hideous yet one can't look away.
 

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I just found this crazy old guy named Dick Cully on YouTube. He's kind of a Buddy Rich copycat, but a great Big Band/Swing drummer, nonetheless. BUT! This guy seems totally off his rocker. I wondered why I'd never heard of him before (aside from the fact that he loves a genre of music no one's listened to in 70 years), then I start to see more of his videos, and this guy seems like the most arrogant, bitter, unpleasant dude since...well, Buddy Rich, honestly. He's always pimping some vaguely-described jazz education cult called "Reboot America Musically" (just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?), and he keeps posting about how pissed he is that no one cares. I just can't look away.

Does anyone know anything about this guy, what his story is, or what turned him into such a miserable creature? I'm fascinated...

Yes Buddy was arrogant (it ain't braggin if you can do it) but he wasn't bitter or unpleasant IMO.
 
This guy Orange Lazarus came here, posted five times and hasn't been seen since. Let's not waste any more time on this thread. We've established that Dick Cully is a great drummer, but an embittered old man. Amen.
 
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