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What’s Going on With Paiste?

Patrickplaysthedrums said:
Even the 2002 cymbals aren't heavy, and totally popular for metal. And 2002 cymbals cut due to the B8 b20 cymbals have less cut. The 2002 thin crashes are also great for metal
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So why would Paiste need to introduce another series catered to rock and metal drummers when they have a perfectly fine seriers for that very genre that is still selling like hot cakes even over 50 years after their original introduction?

Seeing that they even have problems keeping up with the demand for their current series, I don't see how they would do themselves a favor with introducing just another one.

Especially given that they have the highest number of different cymbal series between all the other big names besides Meinl.
 
They have problems keeping up with demand due to covid crap. Paiste reps already mentioned that they're still gettin caught up. Has nothing to do with large demand. And to your first question, you're making my point for me. Fifty years is a long time to solely stick with one cymbal line that caters to a said genre. Literally the point, lol. And Meinl is right there with Paiste in terms of amount of cymbal lines. Also, Paiste filled up the roster with midrange cymbals. Almost half of their cymbal lines are midrange. Zildjian just brought back the z's and meinl created the dark classics like 7 years ao. That was catering to metal. And Sabian already caters to metal. We need to see some activity from Paiste. The only thing we've seen is a discontinued precision line last year.
 
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Patrickplaysthedrums said:
We need to see some activity from Paiste
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But why? Seems they do just fine with what they have. I mean, I get it that we G.A.S. ridden folk need always something new and shiny to look forward to, but it looks to me like Paiste simply isn't in a hurry for that. If they can do good business and (even more important) retain happy employees at the same time, why would they need to hurry for a change?
 
Because they haven't had any activity in around 10 years. I'm pretty sure they only added one new 2002 cymbal like 6 years ago. They're also pretty big on discontinuing series not long into them. They're just a bit stagnant. Also, I rarely see paiste in the stores. I see Meinl in stores as well as endorsements and online all over the place. I'd bet that we see a new line in the next year or two especially considering how much they've gotten rid of. The precision series wasn't a winner, and they just got rid of it last year.
 
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brady said:
The lack of Paiste in stores, mainly the big box stores, has always annoyed me. I'm not sure what the issue is with stocking more Paiste options.
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This may be very well-known (maybe it was even already mentioned in this thread and I missed it), but Paiste—unlike Meinl—apparently doesn't have an American distribution hub. Or so someone at my local drum shop told me just a few weeks ago, explaining why it was so much harder for him to stock Paiste than it was Meinl or Sabian or (obviously) Zildjian. I found that interesting and surprising.

I don't know if Sabian has an American distribution center or it's simply that not having to cross an ocean makes it exponentially easier.
 
GretschedHive said:
This may be very well-known (maybe it was even already mentioned in this thread and I missed it), but Paiste—unlike Meinl—apparently doesn't have an American distribution hub. Or so someone at my local drum shop told me just a few weeks ago, explaining why it was so much harder for him to stock Paiste than it was Meinl or Sabian or (obviously) Zildjian. I found that interesting and surprising.

I don't know if Sabian has an American distribution center or it's simply that not having to cross an ocean makes it exponentially easier.
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To my knowledge Paiste's distribution hub is at the American headquarters in LA (Brea), and I've been told Sabian have a warehouse in Maine.

Now as to what's actually in those warehouses...

I will say, though; Paiste got me a warranty replacement 18" Traditionals Crash within three weeks back in December.
 
Paiste has less distribution and coverage in China, too. I remember that Meinl was rapidly expanding in 2015-2020, putting their advertisements everywhere. Before that I've never thought of Meinl as of the same level as Paiste, Zildjian, and Sabian.
Paiste uses some of the most extensive hand-hammering among the Big 4, so the scale of production could have been smaller. They also go against the grain and makr bright cymbals, but I think they've got the best qualities of dark cymbals (rich, responsive).
 
GretschedHive said:
This may be very well-known (maybe it was even already mentioned in this thread and I missed it), but Paiste—unlike Meinl—apparently doesn't have an American distribution hub. Or so someone at my local drum shop told me just a few weeks ago, explaining why it was so much harder for him to stock Paiste than it was Meinl or Sabian or (obviously) Zildjian. I found that interesting and surprising.

I don't know if Sabian has an American distribution center or it's simply that not having to cross an ocean makes it exponentially easier.
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Gotcha. It's stil lbaffling that most small drum shops have a selection of Paiste. Back when the 5 Star Drum Shops were a thing, it seemed all the ones I visited always had a decent selection of Paiste. Why corporate stores, with more money, don't do the same is what I don't understand.

It doesn't really affect me personally as I buy a lot of my cymbals used. I would just like to see more equal representation. It was out of sheer cymbal availability that I started out playing Zildjian. Had I been exposed to Paiste earlier on, I never would have even looked at any other brand.
 
brady said:
Gotcha. It's stil lbaffling that most small drum shops have a selection of Paiste. Back when the 5 Star Drum Shops were a thing, it seemed all the ones I visited always had a decent selection of Paiste. Why corporate stores, with more money, don't do the same is what I don't understand.

It doesn't really affect me personally as I buy a lot of my cymbals used. I would just like to see more equal representation. It was out of sheer cymbal availability that I started out playing Zildjian. Had I been exposed to Paiste earlier on, I never would have even looked at any other brand.
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There is a store near me that has a set of used Paiste rude hats, ride, and crash. I really like them and really want them but they are charging barely 10% less then brand new and these, while not damaged in any way, are noticably old and have tape residue on them. They've been there for probably three years now.

But yeah, definitely not many paistes around in shops.
 
roncadillac said:
There is a store near me that has a set of used Paiste rude hats, ride, and crash. I really like them and really want them but they are charging barely 10% less then brand new and these, while not damaged in any way, are noticably old and have tape residue on them. They've been there for probably three years now.

But yeah, definitely not many paistes around in shops.
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Right. I see them at used shops quite often. Music Go Round usually has a few in stock.
 
roncadillac said:
I bought all my pst7's online. One big benefit to b8 alloy is the consistency, not as much need to "try before buying". And Paiste happens to do b8 better then anyone else.
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Paiste can make B8 cymbals as good as anyone else's B20, and Paiste's own B20 cymbals are quite consistent, too. Unfortunately, those Turkish-derived makers would press you into believing that B20 is inherently better, and that inconsistency = hand-hammered (which most high-end Paistes are) = better.
 
Iristone said:
Paiste can make B8 cymbals as good as anyone else's B20, and Paiste's own B20 cymbals are quite consistent, too. Unfortunately, those Turkish-derived makers would press you into believing that B20 is inherently better, and that inconsistency = hand-hammered (which most high-end Paistes are) = better.
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I grew up with ads in Modern Drummer very strongly implying that Paiste's B8 were inferior cymbals due to the material or manufacturing or whatever. Right now, I play a full set of nothing but Paistes. All B8. I could care less if they're made from tin foil and pressed into shape by a fat man sitting on them. They sound amazing and are perfect for what I'm playing.

Sorry for the OT, but this thread is kind of drifting anyway. lol
 
Ads that allude to "cymbals that were cut from a sheet" were a marketing tactic from a competitor. Marketing folks know how to manipulate people to buy with their eyes out of brand loyalty.

I say play what sounds good to your ears and what you like within your budget.
 
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Rob G. said:
I grew up with ads in Modern Drummer very strongly implying that Paiste's B8 were inferior cymbals due to the material or manufacturing or whatever. Right now, I play a full set of nothing but Paistes. All B8. I could care less if they're made from tin foil and pressed into shape by a fat man sitting on them. They sound amazing and are perfect for what I'm playing.

Sorry for the OT, but this thread is kind of drifting anyway. lol
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Well, the OP did ask for "info". They got it!
This thread is chock full of it.

I keep coming back to B8 for my set up. I have a set of Giant Beats, a set of Big Beats, and a smattering of 602s, 602MEs, Sigs, and a Masters. I rotate certain ones in and out but the core of my set up on average is either Big Beats (the current favorite for my blues band) or Giant Beats. When I don't feel like the 16" Big Beat hats, I use a set of 14" Dark Energy hats.
 
What I find...interesting about this thread and the "Paiste no longer innovators" thread is of the big three cymbal companies I think Paiste still offers the widest range of sounds. Bright/dark, thick/thin, trashy/clean, traditional/modern... I don't think ANY cymbal company makes every possible sound/size/price combination but Paiste seems a lot more willing to put something out and see if there's a market for it more than anyone else. Sabian and (especially) Zildjian seem to wait for a trend to appear and then flood the market with their attempts to ride a particular wave...That approach probably sells more units and I can't entirely fault that approach, but it hardly seems particularly innovative either.

I think the reason Paiste discontinues so many sizes/models/lines is because they're more likely to put something out before they know if anyone is actually going to buy it, and it doesn't make any sense to make a cymbal no one is buying.
 
Winston_Wolf said:
What I find...interesting about this thread and the "Paiste no longer innovators" thread is of the big three cymbal companies I think Paiste still offers the widest range of sounds. Bright/dark, thick/thin, trashy/clean, traditional/modern... I don't think ANY cymbal company makes every possible sound/size/price combination but Paiste seems a lot more willing to put something out and see if there's a market for it more than anyone else. Sabian and (especially) Zildjian seem to wait for a trend to appear and then flood the market with their attempts to ride a particular wave...That approach probably sells more units and I can't entirely fault that approach, but it hardly seems particularly innovative either.

I think the reason Paiste discontinues so many sizes/models/lines is because they're more likely to put something out before they know if anyone is actually going to buy it, and it doesn't make any sense to make a cymbal no one is buying.
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Lately it seems like Sabian just wants to see how many holes they can drill into a cymbal
 
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